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Hi Everyone

Brand new member, just joined.

I currently have a 2000 Berlingo 1.8 petrol with the FULL LENGTH FABRIC ROOF which is fully working.

It has been fantastic particularly driving to Spain through France. I have just bought a 2007 model 1.6 petrol with the glass panelled roof.

Okay boring bit here but follow my logic.......

Citroen obviously spent time and money tooling up to make a solid metal roof panel AND another setup for the roof with an aperture to take the full length roof - then after about 4 years they discontinue the roof.

BUT they then come up with the glass panelled roof instead.  Having put BOTH Berlingo's side by side and taken a few rough measurements I would hazzard a guess that the NEWER roof panel was constructed to fit the SAME aperture - therefore not having to re-tool.

However taking out BOTH roofs and swapping them over is not a small job and so before destroying two roofs does anyone know if I am right?

Effectively will the NEWER panelled roof fit the same aperture as the old Fabric roof and vice-a-versa.

Thank you for taking time to read this and ANY info on how to de-constuct the fabric roof would be very useful

Mushkin
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If you read the 'disconnect battery first' manual(Haynes workshop manual), you'll find that the roof is mentioned in the exterior chapter as 'don't try this at home'(actually, they state it's a complicated disassembly, beyond the scope of the manual) and for good reason.

As I understand it, the fabric roof is supplied as a complete unit by a third party.
(Webasto?)
The fabric roof was discontinued before the 'Facelift model', and even if the exterior hole is the same size, that doesn't mean they have the same muntings on the inside. Why would they be?

One reason for discontinuing the fabric roof is that it's difficult to get a proper seal sometimes. (Dirt gathers in the tracks so that it can't move all the way forward... )
Another reason is that it's more prone to failure (mechical and fabric damage)

To even begin to remove the ld fabric roof you first need to remove the headliner completely.
That means removing the visors, the overhead shelf, any and all handles, pilllar covers.
Then there's the switches and overhead cabin light.

But if you against all common sense decide to remove the fabric roof, then I'd be happy to buy the gears and parts next to the motor as there's something buggered with the kit in mine...

Please note that if there's different brackets underneath that has been welded into place that it would be a really bad idea to transfer them. Welding a roof is generally 'not OK' as it's part of the the safety cage of the car.
My organisation have cars with 'light bars' with rotating orange lights on the ends on the roof. And now that we're about to sell some of our first Toyota Prius cars, we've found that the bolt holes can't be welded. The entire roof must be replaced at a cost of about £8000... for each car...
There's not a single bodyworks shop in Norway that Toyota will give permission to for plugging the holes.
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(25-03-2015, 05:36 PM)Gadgetman Wrote:  If you read the 'disconnect battery first' manual(Haynes workshop manual), you'll find that the roof is mentioned in the exterior chapter as 'don't try this at home'(actually, they state it's a complicated disassembly, beyond the scope of the manual) and for good reason.

As I understand it, the fabric roof is supplied as a complete unit by a third party.
(Webasto?)
The fabric roof was discontinued before the 'Facelift model', and even if the exterior hole is the same size, that doesn't mean they have the same muntings on the inside. Why would they be?

One reason for discontinuing the fabric roof is that it's difficult to get a proper seal sometimes. (Dirt gathers in the tracks so that it can't move all the way forward... )
Another reason is that it's more prone to failure (mechical and fabric damage)

To even begin to remove the ld fabric roof you first need to remove the headliner completely.
That means removing the visors, the overhead shelf, any and all handles, pilllar covers.
Then there's the switches and overhead cabin light.

But if you against all common sense decide to remove the fabric roof, then I'd be happy to buy the gears and parts next to the motor as there's something buggered with the kit in mine...

Please note that if there's different brackets underneath that has been welded into place that it would be a really bad idea to transfer them. Welding a roof is generally 'not OK' as it's part of the the safety cage of the car.
My organisation have cars with 'light bars' with rotating orange lights on the ends on the roof. And now that we're about to sell some of our first Toyota Prius cars, we've found that the bolt holes can't be welded. The entire roof must be replaced at a cost of about £8000... for each car...
There's not a single bodyworks shop in Norway that Toyota will give permission to for plugging the holes.
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(28-03-2015, 12:22 PM)Mushkin Wrote:  
(25-03-2015, 05:36 PM)Gadgetman Wrote:  If you read the 'disconnect battery first' manual(Haynes workshop manual), you'll find that the roof is mentioned in the exterior chapter as 'don't try this at home'(actually, they state it's a complicated disassembly, beyond the scope of the manual) and for good reason.

As I understand it, the fabric roof is supplied as a complete unit by a third party.
(Webasto?)
The fabric roof was discontinued before the 'Facelift model', and even if the exterior hole is the same size, that doesn't mean they have the same muntings on the inside. Why would they be?

One reason for discontinuing the fabric roof is that it's difficult to get a proper seal sometimes. (Dirt gathers in the tracks so that it can't move all the way forward... )
Another reason is that it's more prone to failure (mechical and fabric damage)

To even begin to remove the ld fabric roof you first need to remove the headliner completely.
That means removing the visors, the overhead shelf, any and all handles, pilllar covers.
Then there's the switches and overhead cabin light.

But if you against all common sense decide to remove the fabric roof, then I'd be happy to buy the gears and parts next to the motor as there's something buggered with the kit in mine...

Please note that if there's different brackets underneath that has been welded into place that it would be a really bad idea to transfer them. Welding a roof is generally 'not OK' as it's part of the the safety cage of the car.
My organisation have cars with 'light bars' with rotating orange lights on the ends on the roof. And now that we're about to sell some of our first Toyota Prius cars, we've found that the bolt holes can't be welded. The entire roof must be replaced at a cost of about £8000... for each car...
There's not a single bodyworks shop in Norway that Toyota will give permission to for plugging the holes.

Hi

I am not on the internet at home and rely on my local library - hence I had not replied sooner. The library shuts at 1.00 today so I do not have enough time to fully respond.

Thanks for your reply - I will answer fully by Tuesday eve.

Cheers
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