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solved euro head lamp issues?
#1
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Hi
I was interested to read the thread in mk3 solved issues page 3, subject "is there a lever to change head lights for euro driving"
I have a 1.6 bluehdi 120 xtr S/s. October 2015 model. I am suprised about the link in the thread from Citroen saying that " The head lights in your car have a flat beam pattern rather than the up swept beam pattern on conventional headlights"
I understand that this letter was a reply to a question on the latest berlingo.
Although a berlingo is not mentioned in the letter.
My new berlingo has the up swept beam pattern as conventional headlights and therefore has to be fitted with stickers to drive abroad. I am a mot tester now for 25 years and have confirmed the beam pattern on my headlamp test equipment.
I think Citroen are referring to a different model not the berlingo.

The head light information below is the same for cars and motor cycles showing the up swept pattern on the left the same as my berlingo and not acceptable abroad this up swept part cannot be adjusted down, only by fitting the stickers will it remove it and then leave a flat beam.


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#2
Thank you for the info in your post it's this has been talked about many time's with no strait answer now we have it in black and white . Cool
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#3
The page in the link is dated 2001 & it appears to refer to motorcycles grey imported from Europe allowing use of beam changer to pass UK mot test. I have a letter from Cit which I have posted on here in the past that states for my 2009 Berl beam changers are not required for driving in Europe. On dip the beams have an even spread across the road with small points of light that aim left. These of course point into middle of road abroad but in many miles of driving on unlit N roads in France I have never been flashed up by oncoming traffic so I can only conclude changers are not needed. I would guess because the 'spotter beams' shine only on surface of road not upwards like the old type glass headlamps of last century.
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HA I remember now your right Smile I must pay more attention or is it here we go again Big Grin
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#5
Allsorts of opinions on this. Some will say put benders on to make it 'look good' but no legal requirement for benders abroad, only that you do not dazzle oncoming traffic & clearly mine do not. Others will stick tape on to save the price of benders but tape will seriously reduce efficiency of headlamp to the extent it is dangerous on unlit road.

To me though it's mostly those making money selling bits of plastic for £7 that must cost pence to produce that seem to shout loudest about the requirement of benders to stay 'legal' abroad. I used to drive a truck on the continent in my working life & I don't think UK truck drivers even knew what beam benders were. Whenever I got pulled by the German ministry they would minutely examine tacho, paperwork & tyres but I never saw them look at my headlamps.
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[attachment=2839 Wrote:                  I have More information. The head lamp alignment mot rules change in March. But this won't affect the issues in my previous comment. The new criteria helps British motorists slightly, as the parameters are slightly wider.(attachment)I have been experimenting on my head lamp image as I intend to register my new berlingo on Spanish plates. (if import duties are reasonable) As a tourist or a visitor to Spain l can use beam benders or also known as head lamp stickers.But to register a car I need to replace my headlamps (costly) To get around this I am trying to get the upswept part of beam image to the right (as attachment) as you can see I have ground down all three tags and locating pins thus allowing the bulb to be rotated slightly to create the image for European driving. It is not a crisp image, but my intention is (with the aid of a interpreter) to ask at a ITV (mot) station If it is acceptable for registering a car, when I next drive to Spain.The beam image I am experimenting with is the one on the right. pid='83778' dateline='1454698510']Hi
I was interested to read the thread in mk3 solved issues page 3, subject "is there a lever to change head lights for euro driving"
I have a 1.6 bluehdi 120 xtr S/s. October 2015 model. I am suprised about the link in the thread from Citroen saying that " The head lights in your car have a flat beam pattern rather than the up swept beam pattern on conventional headlights"
I understand that this letter was a reply to a question on the latest berlingo.
Although a berlingo is not mentioned in the letter.
My new berlingo has the up swept beam pattern as conventional headlights and therefore has to be fitted with stickers to drive abroad. I am a mot tester now for 25 years and have confirmed the beam pattern on my headlamp test equipment.
I think Citroen are referring to a different model not the berlingo.

The head light information below is the same for cars and motor cycles showing the up swept pattern on the left the same as my berlingo and not acceptable abroad this up swept part cannot be adjusted down, only by fitting the stickers will it remove it and then leave a flat beam.


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#7
Shone against a wall the dipped beams on my 09 Berl. are no different to that but they do not dazzle oncoming drivers abroad & Cit state they do not need benders. It would be a different matter to try & get them through a Mot in a left hand drive country though as presumably dipped beams need to light up right hand kerb as well but it does appear that UK Berlingo headlamps do not dazzle abroad & Cit stated in letter that no benders were required.

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#8
That letter's just plain wrong - it's a mistake by someone at Citroen who was looking at the wrong model.

Take a bulb out and have a look at where the "pip" on the bulb is - even the bulbs themselves are fitted at an angle, which is what makes the beam angled. I don't know whether this is the only thing that differs between LHD and RHD lights though - it's possible that the reflectors could be shaped differently, so modifying the bulbs to rotate the other way may not be enough.

Forget that letter, point the thing at a wall and switch the lights on. The pattern's like a wedge shape. If you drive on the right with a RHD Berlingo then you will be driving illegally and dazzling oncoming drivers, whatever rubbish Citroen UK have said about it. In fact, that letter doesn't even mention a Berlingo.
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#9
I've looked at lhd Berlingo lights & the reflectors are different so presumably it's reflectors that dictate light pattern not bulbs? The dipped light pattern on the road is symmetrical with just 2 points of light pointing left. These 2 points shine out into middle of road abroad. If they bothered oncoming motorists then somebody would flash me up & nobody has, ever.
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#10
I think these letters are just talking about C4 Picasso's although the handbook for those mentions about the lever on the back of the light. Wait, scrub that. I couldn't even find an indicator bulb for those headlights and even the stealership couldn't identify the indicator bulb that it is fitted with. However the light from the headlights is a flat pattern. My Lingo however has got a tick that I'm sure Nike would be proud of.


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