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1.6 HDIis it worth fixing ??
#1
Hi guys,
             New to this forum and new to owning a Berlingo.
Just purchased  a 57 plate Berlingo 1.6 HDI and was very pleased with my little van until (yes you guessed it) the turbo has died.
I thought I had cracked it with my new Berlingo, 99k on the clock immaculate inside and side loading door and then this happens.
Having done some research on the net I can now see this is a common problem with this diesel engine and has been covered many times before in many threads. Just wondered if anyone has had the turbo replaced and not had it go again within a short period of time.
I have read all the info on turbo refitting all the new components that are recommended to be replaced , engine flushes, new filters ect ect. But the general consensus I get is that it never seems to cure the issue and the turbocharger fails again.
Having looked at prices of these vans I think I have paid the top end of the price range for the year and mileage and am wondering whether to cut my losses and not spend anymore on repairing the turbo.
Is it all doom and gloom from this point, because I think in the short time I have owned this van I think its a great little vehicle and its a shame to get rid???? Anyone got any advise?
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#2
It can be done but its time consuming to do it properly.

1. check injectors for leaks - repair any leaking - may need to recut injector seats

2. remove sump and replace oil strainer

3. remove turbo oil feed pipes and remove filters

4. flush the bits of carbon out best you can

5. fit turbo - prime bearing first - run engine for about 1000 miles do another oil and filter change

6. change the oil and filter every 6k

many have done this with sucksess
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#3
So its not all bad news, sometimes these engines can have new turbos fitted and last longer than a thousand miles then?..
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#4
Yep and far from all play up in the first place.

It is now known that it is usually leaking injector seals and incorrect servicing/oil that cause the problem in the first place.
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#5
Leaking injector seals won't cause turbo failure, just a cruddy black mess on top of the engine and a chuffing noise, id love to know how the Internet decided that one!

It's carbon build up in the oil that causes turbo issues, this then builds up round the engine including in the oil feed pipes and starves the turbo and it destroys itself due to oil starvation, this then sends shards of metal round the engine which is why the gauze on the vac pump has to be cleaned, oil feed/return pipes replaced, the sump whipped off to clean any metal from it and the pick up, then the oil changed after 1k miles to extract any metal that was missed in the filter and sump first time around Wink
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#6
For crud to enter the oilways to the turbo the oil filter must be so blocked that the bypass is activated (does anyone know where that is?). I blame long life oil, yes, it will keep it's lubricating properties longer but only if it isn't highly contaminated.

A few litres of oil and a filter is cheap insurance.
MkIII VTR 1.6hdi Modutop, Climate Pack, 16" Alloys
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(06-08-2016, 01:22 PM)Solent Wrote:  For crud to enter the oilways to the turbo the oil filter must be so blocked that the bypass is activated (does anyone know where that is?). I blame long life oil, yes, it will keep it's lubricating properties longer but only if it isn't highly contaminated.

A few litres of oil and a filter is cheap insurance.

It's more that a percentage of the oil gets used/burnt... Some engines do this by design as oil is easily renewable compared to big end shells for example (for example the bmw 1.6 petrol engines in 207's etc can use a litre per 1000 miles and that's acceptable)... It's this burning of oil and then the carbon resulting gets deposited in the oil and spread around the engine as carbon deposits which then block up the oil ways... More regular oil changes do help as there's less loose carbon deposited in the oil which is good, it's the reason low ash oil is needed, it burns more completely and leaves less carbon to get back in the oil
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well I can only go by mine, but it's had 8k oil changes equating to every 5/6 weeks and seems to thrive on it :-)... had sump removed for no other reason than to have a look for sludge,that was at 180k and it was as clean as you could expect a sump to be,had the small filter from the turbo feed pipe removed but that wasn't clogged at all,better to check though..... 205k and still trundling along :-)

this is a thread I put on 2 weeks since, when she hit 200k.

http://www.berlingoforum.co.uk/thread-13978.html
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Berlingo First,75bhp 1.6hdi,58 plate....225k and counting.
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#9
reference this,...."dumdum Offline
BF Regular Through and Through
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A few litres of oil and a filter is cheap insurance.

( It's more that a percentage of the oil gets used/burnt... Some engines do this by design as oil is easily renewable compared to big end shells for example (for example the bmw 1.6 petrol engines in 207's etc can use a litre per 1000 miles and that's acceptable)... It's this burning of oil and then the carbon resulting gets deposited in the oil and spread around the engine as carbon deposits which then block up the oil ways... More regular oil changes do help as there's less loose carbon deposited in the oil which is good, it's the reason low ash oil is needed, it burns more completely and leaves less carbon to get back in the oil )


I check my van via the dipstick as don't trust the dash display,I never top up between changes so be interesting to know what the expected burn off is on this engine  ??
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Berlingo First,75bhp 1.6hdi,58 plate....225k and counting.
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#10
My last 1.6 HDi used no oil in 50,000 miles & my new one has used none in 3,500 miles.
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