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1.6hdi Timing Belt 6yr/60k: New Service Interval
#1
Just back from '57 1.6Hdi Desire 50k Citroen service at Evans Hailshaw, Reading and they say to change cam belt as April Citroen advisory is now every 6yrs or 60k and not 10yrs or 150k as before. (Their price £295).
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#2
Thats still a long long time compared with vauxhalls.
Not much more cost wise either
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#3
According to Citroen timing belt change is 150,000miles or 10 years.
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#4
Being a Citroen Main Dealer Evans Halshaw IMHO will have
an agenda not only to provide a service to customers but more importantly
to make more money. I experienced this with both VW and Volvo Main Dealers.
Irrespective of the prestige of their vehicles they are quite happy to mislead
customers and will actually tell lies to get their money!
The VW cambelt replacement period in Germany and the USA is significantly greater than
in the UK for no explicable reason.

RedHat see your other post where I have given you links to two other independent Citroen specialist repairers
in the Reading area.
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#5
Stop Press.
Having spoken to three other Citroen dealers AND Citroen customer services I can re-confirm the original timing belt service interval for '57 1.6hdi IS 10yrs/150k miles and not 6yrs/60k as I was told - so apologies to everyone. Seems the service manager mis-saw an email from Evans Halshaw head office recommending 6/60 for post'09 models and thought it applied to all Berlingos (but as my car is only 4yrs 10months old anyway they still shouldn't have told me to get it changed.;-( Additionally he said that if the timing belt failed before this period then Citroen would pay for any damage to be rectified! Can this really be believed!?
I know some people think to change their timing belt at 40k just to be on the safe side. I wonder how many of you are similarly cautious?
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(12-07-2012, 10:32 PM)redhat Wrote:  Stop Press.
Having spoken to three other Citroen dealers AND Citroen customer services I can re-confirm the original timing belt service interval for '57 1.6hdi IS 10yrs/150k miles and not 6yrs/60k as I was told - so apologies to everyone. Seems the service manager mis-saw an email from Evans Halshaw head office recommending 6/60 for post'09 models and thought it applied to all Berlingos (but as my car is only 4yrs 10months old anyway they still shouldn't have told me to get it changed.;-( Additionally he said that if the timing belt failed before this period then Citroen would pay for any damage to be rectified! Can this really be believed!?
I know some people think to change their timing belt at 40k just to be on the safe side. I wonder how many of you are similarly cautious?

I've only experienced timing belts on recent VW's and now on our '56 1.6HDi Berlingo. On the VW's I've just gone by whatever the manufacturer's recommendation was - though they seem to change with monotonous regularity. It was around 400 beer tokens on our Passat, which was done last year at 40K miles, and I'll probably stick with the 10yrs/50k recommendation unless I lose my bottle.

I don't drive a car hard, and I'd like to think that being reasonably gentle with it lessens the chance of failure microscopically, though I may well be proved wrong.

It wouldn't be so bad if there was some sort of fail safe when a belt breaks, but the extent of the damage when one fails can be pretty disastrous - probably worse if you've got 4000 rpm on the clock than if it fails at tickover.

Personally I hate the idea of timing belts, although I've never had one fail. I guess they were introduced to save on manufacturing costs, but gimme a rattly old timing chain - at least I know it ain't going to break.
'56 Multispace 1.6HDi - Iron Grey
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#7
Citroen would only pay for consequential damage if the vehicle had been serviced exclusively by a main dealer. Otherwise they would probably only offer to fit a new belt FOC.

The Service Manager mis-saw a Citroen TB*??!! In his position, he should know basic servicing procedures/intervals on all the models that he is
responsible for servicing. So that sounds like a lot of hogwash OR the Service Manager doesn't know his job. A workshop to avoid methinks.

* Any TB (technical bulletin) advisory that Evans Halshaw issued to their branches would have originated from Citroen UK.

I'd be taking my business to an independent Citroen/Peugeot specialist, at least they remain in business by their reputation!:thumbsup:
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#8
Had a Clio petrol previously and cam belt was X,000 miles or 6 years. Had mine changed at 50,000 miles and 7 years.
The mechanic showed me the old belt which we both agreed looked like new. (Was the original, I had the car from new.)
But he did say it still could have failed next week, next year, or lasted another 7 years.
I would go with the manufacturers recommendation, with a bit of caution for good luck.
Think I would change mine at 100-120,000 miles and 7 or 8 years.
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(13-07-2012, 11:42 AM)pidgeonpost Wrote:  
(12-07-2012, 10:32 PM)redhat Wrote:  Stop Press.
Having spoken to three other Citroen dealers AND Citroen customer services I can re-confirm the original timing belt service interval for '57 1.6hdi IS 10yrs/150k miles and not 6yrs/60k as I was told - so apologies to everyone. Seems the service manager mis-saw an email from Evans Halshaw head office recommending 6/60 for post'09 models and thought it applied to all Berlingos (but as my car is only 4yrs 10months old anyway they still shouldn't have told me to get it changed.;-( Additionally he said that if the timing belt failed before this period then Citroen would pay for any damage to be rectified! Can this really be believed!?
I know some people think to change their timing belt at 40k just to be on the safe side. I wonder how many of you are similarly cautious?

I've only experienced timing belts on recent VW's and now on our '56 1.6HDi Berlingo. On the VW's I've just gone by whatever the manufacturer's recommendation was - though they seem to change with monotonous regularity. It was around 400 beer tokens on our Passat, which was done last year at 40K miles, and I'll probably stick with the 10yrs/50k recommendation unless I lose my bottle.

I don't drive a car hard, and I'd like to think that being reasonably gentle with it lessens the chance of failure microscopically, though I may well be proved wrong.

It wouldn't be so bad if there was some sort of fail safe when a belt breaks, but the extent of the damage when one fails can be pretty disastrous - probably worse if you've got 4000 rpm on the clock than if it fails at tickover.

Personally I hate the idea of timing belts, although I've never had one fail. I guess they were introduced to save on manufacturing costs, but gimme a rattly old timing chain - at least I know it ain't going to break.

If Fiat can make "valve safe" engines,why not all manufacturers?
You may accuse me of being cynical,but could it be profit orientated?
Strawberry flavoured windows  Dodgy
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#10
I don't think it's cynical, my last car ( a Mazda) also had a non-interference engine, if the cambelt snapped you just coast to a stop and call the AA for a tow home, no expensive damage done just a new belt needed.
Most dealers like to put the fear of God into customers by just mentioning the word "cambelt", but stick to the service intervals and you should be fine.
150k miles does seem like a lot though...
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